Sunday, February 01, 2004
Hi Michael,
I came across your blog at http://defendingjesus.blogspot.com/ that is
why I responded to you.
Let me see if I am understanding you correctly. You said - "These
people make out about 75% percent of all Christians. The only sad thing
is that they follow the wrong interpretation of the bible because they
rely more heavyly on tradition than on the scripture. All they have is
a nice facade, but no real foundation."
If I can read your statement correctly, you are saying that these 75%
are not really christians at all, would that be correct? Are you saying
that some people, like yourself, can draw conclusions about the state
of professed christianity, but others, like myself, can't?
Are you saying that you can suggest 75% of church going citizens are
fake (nice facade), but if I suggest the figure might be 99.9% I am
guilty of judging?
Just Wondering,
Adam
My reply
2,015 million christian present
1,060 million of em are catholic
342 million of em are protestant
75 million - of em are reformed
537 million
537/2015*100=26%
Take off about 2 percent for the mormons, jehova's, freemasons etc...
24% percent.
another 2 percent of other christians who pretend to be christians...
22%
Guess I was wrong, it's 22%
Now before you draw conclusions that I am against catholics and protestants and reformed people, I do believe that there are some true believers in those churches. But the majority of them have been proven to be "holy" on sunday, and stab you in the back on monday.
That is why I left those churches out.
So you can see that my estimate is sound... more sound than your 99,9%
it would mean that
2015/1000=2.015 million christians in the world.... you're not giving God a lot of credit are you?
Michael
I came across your blog at http://defendingjesus.blogspot.com/ that is
why I responded to you.
Let me see if I am understanding you correctly. You said - "These
people make out about 75% percent of all Christians. The only sad thing
is that they follow the wrong interpretation of the bible because they
rely more heavyly on tradition than on the scripture. All they have is
a nice facade, but no real foundation."
If I can read your statement correctly, you are saying that these 75%
are not really christians at all, would that be correct? Are you saying
that some people, like yourself, can draw conclusions about the state
of professed christianity, but others, like myself, can't?
Are you saying that you can suggest 75% of church going citizens are
fake (nice facade), but if I suggest the figure might be 99.9% I am
guilty of judging?
Just Wondering,
Adam
My reply
2,015 million christian present
1,060 million of em are catholic
342 million of em are protestant
75 million - of em are reformed
537 million
537/2015*100=26%
Take off about 2 percent for the mormons, jehova's, freemasons etc...
24% percent.
another 2 percent of other christians who pretend to be christians...
22%
Guess I was wrong, it's 22%
Now before you draw conclusions that I am against catholics and protestants and reformed people, I do believe that there are some true believers in those churches. But the majority of them have been proven to be "holy" on sunday, and stab you in the back on monday.
That is why I left those churches out.
So you can see that my estimate is sound... more sound than your 99,9%
it would mean that
2015/1000=2.015 million christians in the world.... you're not giving God a lot of credit are you?
Michael
Hi Michael,
Certainly God will reveal how many of the professed christians are
true, as judgement day matures. My guess is that 99.9% do not follow
God in truth, that is why I can call what they represent as a hoax. God
calls it Babylon. I am not from a Satanist group. I have the Christ
Spirit within me. That is why it is so easy to identify those who are
not true. It is like the elephant story. I have been made to see.
It is much more than folks who do not have the right interpretation
however. It is that they do not have the Spirit of Christ. That is the
defining line. The false christs will contend for hours about matters
that they do not know anything about, all the while thinking that they
are indeed right. If Jesus were standing before them in a form that men
did not recognize, and told them to "Remember the Sabbath Day" they
would be able to reason away His commands with the scriptures. They
could sermonize Him for days about how the law has been done away with.
After a few minutes, He would walk away from them and leave them to
their madness.
When Christ returns for His people in a manner that the christians did
not expect, the modern christian spends all of their energy trying to
show Christ, that He is actually the antiChrist. They fight with him
because He does not do things the way that they think that He should do
them. He stands in the midst of them unrecognized like He did 2000
years ago. Modern christianity is just like the Jewish religion of old.
They have forgotten who is in charge, and that God does not have to
pre-approve His plans with mortal man.
The problem is that that the millions who follow the hoax of
christianity, do not hear His voice and surrender. There are millions
who have had visions, revelations, and countless miracles, but this
does not make a man a Christian. These countless millions, even
billions, have certainly been wooed by the Christ and have heard Him.
They have received his love and protection, and can explain the plan of
salvation, but all these things do not make a man into Christ. It is
only when that man becomes empty (dead), and is filled with nothing but
Christ, that he is indeed a Christian.
Adam
My reply
May I ask you, where did you get my email adress from?
You say 99,9% are false believers? Be carefull before you speak.
The bible warns us not to judge, for you shall be judge as you judge.
When we are filled with Christ the first time we convert, or go
through a deep repentance, the feeling does not last. We will go
through a valley from the mountain top, and we wonder where God has
gone.
It can be that Christians are led astray because they are weak in
those moments.
That does notmake them lesser Christians. God has promised us that he
would never let us go. Eventually he will draw us near to him again,
and reveal to us the sins we have commited against ourselves or to
him.
Be carefull before you condem people as non Christians.
You do not know what their internal life is like. Many Christians
still have sinfull bonds from the past which they have not owed up to
God and thusfor they are still bound by it and led into temptation.
Does this make them lesser Christians?no, it does not make them lesser.
The bible says that you will be suprised who will be in heaven and who
wont.
Scriptures can be read in only one way, and that is with the Holy
Spirit, the Spirit of Christ. Jesus has given us his Spirit to teach
and guide us. The Holy Spirit is the means we connect to God. When we
accept Christ the Holy Spirit is not with us, but within us.
But sometimes men forget it is the Holy Spirit that teaches them, and
they think it comes fromthemselves, and they dwell away from God's
presence.
This usually doesn't last long though, because God fullfills his
promise to keep us close.
Like I say again, be very mindfull before you judge or condemn people.
Michael
Certainly God will reveal how many of the professed christians are
true, as judgement day matures. My guess is that 99.9% do not follow
God in truth, that is why I can call what they represent as a hoax. God
calls it Babylon. I am not from a Satanist group. I have the Christ
Spirit within me. That is why it is so easy to identify those who are
not true. It is like the elephant story. I have been made to see.
It is much more than folks who do not have the right interpretation
however. It is that they do not have the Spirit of Christ. That is the
defining line. The false christs will contend for hours about matters
that they do not know anything about, all the while thinking that they
are indeed right. If Jesus were standing before them in a form that men
did not recognize, and told them to "Remember the Sabbath Day" they
would be able to reason away His commands with the scriptures. They
could sermonize Him for days about how the law has been done away with.
After a few minutes, He would walk away from them and leave them to
their madness.
When Christ returns for His people in a manner that the christians did
not expect, the modern christian spends all of their energy trying to
show Christ, that He is actually the antiChrist. They fight with him
because He does not do things the way that they think that He should do
them. He stands in the midst of them unrecognized like He did 2000
years ago. Modern christianity is just like the Jewish religion of old.
They have forgotten who is in charge, and that God does not have to
pre-approve His plans with mortal man.
The problem is that that the millions who follow the hoax of
christianity, do not hear His voice and surrender. There are millions
who have had visions, revelations, and countless miracles, but this
does not make a man a Christian. These countless millions, even
billions, have certainly been wooed by the Christ and have heard Him.
They have received his love and protection, and can explain the plan of
salvation, but all these things do not make a man into Christ. It is
only when that man becomes empty (dead), and is filled with nothing but
Christ, that he is indeed a Christian.
Adam
My reply
May I ask you, where did you get my email adress from?
You say 99,9% are false believers? Be carefull before you speak.
The bible warns us not to judge, for you shall be judge as you judge.
When we are filled with Christ the first time we convert, or go
through a deep repentance, the feeling does not last. We will go
through a valley from the mountain top, and we wonder where God has
gone.
It can be that Christians are led astray because they are weak in
those moments.
That does notmake them lesser Christians. God has promised us that he
would never let us go. Eventually he will draw us near to him again,
and reveal to us the sins we have commited against ourselves or to
him.
Be carefull before you condem people as non Christians.
You do not know what their internal life is like. Many Christians
still have sinfull bonds from the past which they have not owed up to
God and thusfor they are still bound by it and led into temptation.
Does this make them lesser Christians?no, it does not make them lesser.
The bible says that you will be suprised who will be in heaven and who
wont.
Scriptures can be read in only one way, and that is with the Holy
Spirit, the Spirit of Christ. Jesus has given us his Spirit to teach
and guide us. The Holy Spirit is the means we connect to God. When we
accept Christ the Holy Spirit is not with us, but within us.
But sometimes men forget it is the Holy Spirit that teaches them, and
they think it comes fromthemselves, and they dwell away from God's
presence.
This usually doesn't last long though, because God fullfills his
promise to keep us close.
Like I say again, be very mindfull before you judge or condemn people.
Michael
Christianity is a hoax
Hi Michael,
You have probably read the “Elephant” story
(http://www.wordfocus.com/word-act-blindmen.html) regarding a group of
blind men, attempting to describe an elephant by what they happen to
feel or be holding on to. This is how most of those are who participate
in christianity. They describe or experience a portion of the reality,
but do not in any manner give a true picture of a real Christian
experience.
I will show you how the modern christian is not a Christian at all,
thus proving christianity false. In other words, modern christianity,
that is, the bulk of those who call themselves Christians, are not
really Christians at all. I can only speak in a general manner as each
person is judged by his own life, but this application fits the vast
majority of those who claim to follow Christ. The use of the small c,
and the large C in the word “Christian” represents the application of
the “false christian” or anti-Christ and the “true Christian” or one
who is like Christ.
According to the bible, it is definable as to whether a person's
Christianity is true or is false. Therefore the bible will be used as
the guide to point out those who may want to be a Christian, and indeed
think they represent Christ, but are terribly deceived, for their
actions reveal what is in their hearts.
Ye shall know them by their fruits. Even so every good tree bringeth
forth good fruit; but a corrupt tree bringeth forth evil fruit. A good
tree cannot bring forth evil fruit, neither can a corrupt tree bring
forth good fruit. Wherefore by their fruits ye shall know them. Not
every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom
of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.
Matt. 7:16-18, 20, 21
Two points will be used to demonstrate that modern christianity is not
just wrong, but actually against Christ.
1. War. When the christian does not have Christ, he is at war with his
neighbors near and far.
2. Sin. When the christian does not have Christ, he is under the power
of the adversary, and cannot help but to sin, and therefore rebel
against God.
The Spirit of Aggression and War = AntiChrist
" Ye have heard that it hath been said, An eye for an eye, and a tooth
for a tooth: But I say unto you, That ye resist not evil: but whosoever
shall smite thee on thy right cheek, turn to him the other also. Ye
have heard that it hath been said, Thou shalt love thy neighbour, and
hate thine enemy. But I say unto you, Love your enemies, bless them
that curse you, do good to them that hate you, and pray for them which
despitefully use you, and persecute you" Mt. 5:43.44
In other words, Jesus came to His followers and said, "the old way was
to retaliate when wrong was done to you, but now, show them love
instead, give them what they want, and pray for them". It is often
cited by those who stand behind a war, that God condoned war in the old
testament. While this was true in the old testament, Jesus came and
showed men a new way of living, and that the true Christian will do as
He did. They will lay out their arms and resist not the one who wants
to persecute them. The spirit of war = christian. The spirit of
love/non retaliation = Christian.
Since the time of Christ, professed christians have been at war with
those who do not accept their "correct" religious beliefs. This manner
of bringing about conversion is contrary to the teaching of Jesus. When
the christian "pilgrims" came to America, they began to try to "win the
souls" of those who were on this continent by coercing them, along with
the threat of death, if they did not convert to christianity.
For half a century, the christian has been fighting a worldwide war
against "communism" slaying millions of people in the process. In the
last 20 years, the focus of the "holy war" has shifted to those who
follow the religions of the eastern philosophy, particularly the
Muslims. We can see that American christians have aggressively attacked
other nations when they have been slapped. Vietnam (Gulf of Tonkin),
Japan (Pearl Harbor) and the invasions of Afghanistan and Iraq (Sept
11) all demonstrate that the Christ spirit is not what modern
christians follow.
The professed christian U.S. government has officially accepted and
acted upon a "preemptive war" way of thinking and acting regarding
those who they feel threatened by. It is clear that Jesus did not
promote such a doctrine, thus revealing modern christianity as false.
Let all bitterness, and wrath, and anger, and clamour, and evil
speaking, be put away from you, with all malice: And be ye kind one to
another, tenderhearted, forgiving one another, even as God for Christ's
sake hath forgiven you. Be ye therefore followers of God, as dear
children; And walk in love, as Christ also hath loved us. Ephesians
4:31,32, 5:1,2
The Christian is in Harmony with God, and Does Not Sin Against Him
"Whosoever abideth in him sinneth not: whosoever sinneth hath not
seen
him, neither known him. Little children, let no man deceive you: he
that doeth righteousness is righteous, even as he is righteous. He that
committeth sin is of the devil; for the devil sinneth from the
beginning. For this purpose the Son of God was manifested, that he
might destroy the works of the devil. Whosoever is born of God doth
not commit sin; for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin,
because he is born of God." 1 John 3:6-9
The modern christian says, "everyone sins now and then, we're only
human". The bible shows that the man who has Christ in him, does not
sin. This demonstrates that the modern christian is false.
The true Christian has Christ in him, and cannot sin, because Christ
does not sin against the Father.
If ye love me, keep my commandments. He that hath my commandments, and
keepeth them, he it is that loveth me: and he that loveth me shall be
loved of my Father, and I will love him, and will manifest myself to
him. John 14:15,21
Those who are a false christ, cannot keep the commandments for they are
not one with Christ. They do not have His Spirit, and therefore cannot
love God or keep his commandment. These religious people, even taking
on the name Jesus, show by their daily life, that their christianity is
untrue.
Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the
kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in
heaven.
The christianity of today is a hoax.
Sincerely
Adam
PS. I would like to request that if you do not use this entire
observation, that you use none of it. In this manner, none of the above
statements will be taken out of context.
My reply
Hello Adam.
Unfortunately, I have to agree with you, I wish it were different, but I have to agree.
Most people are followers of the major religions(Catholic, protestant, reformed, etc..). These people make out about 75% percent of all Christians.
The only sad thing is that they follow the wrong interpretation of the bible because they rely more heavyly on tradition than on the scripture. All they have is a nice facade, but no real foundation. The people that go to the popular churches are the best people on sunday, but will stab you in the back on monday. Sadly, but true. But, there are real Christians out there.
More and more traditional churches start to shake off their denominations and come truly to Christ. Have you ever heard of the baptist, pentecoastal and Hebrea(there are more but I can't just tell out of the top of my head) churches? They are still relatively small and unknown if they aren't in your community present.
But they are the fastest growing churches in the world. Where the traditional churches loses churchgoers, there gain the alive churches.
Christianity is not a hoax. I am not a blind man. I would not have chosen Christ as my saviour if he hadn't given me proof in abundance of his existance. I've experienced God very powerfully in my life, I can give you accounts if you want? The good thing of being a Christian is that the Holy Spirit will come over you and in you. One then has God's presence embedded in his heart.The feeling of God's presence is the most awesome feeling one can have. Plus personally I've had two visions of Christ which proves to me that he exists and that he loves me.
If I may ask, where are you from? Are you from the joy of satan website? If so, you'll never be able to use what the website says about the bible against me. I'll be able to debunk everything it says(with all due respect)
God bless, and have a joyfull day
Michael
Hi Michael,
You have probably read the “Elephant” story
(http://www.wordfocus.com/word-act-blindmen.html) regarding a group of
blind men, attempting to describe an elephant by what they happen to
feel or be holding on to. This is how most of those are who participate
in christianity. They describe or experience a portion of the reality,
but do not in any manner give a true picture of a real Christian
experience.
I will show you how the modern christian is not a Christian at all,
thus proving christianity false. In other words, modern christianity,
that is, the bulk of those who call themselves Christians, are not
really Christians at all. I can only speak in a general manner as each
person is judged by his own life, but this application fits the vast
majority of those who claim to follow Christ. The use of the small c,
and the large C in the word “Christian” represents the application of
the “false christian” or anti-Christ and the “true Christian” or one
who is like Christ.
According to the bible, it is definable as to whether a person's
Christianity is true or is false. Therefore the bible will be used as
the guide to point out those who may want to be a Christian, and indeed
think they represent Christ, but are terribly deceived, for their
actions reveal what is in their hearts.
Ye shall know them by their fruits. Even so every good tree bringeth
forth good fruit; but a corrupt tree bringeth forth evil fruit. A good
tree cannot bring forth evil fruit, neither can a corrupt tree bring
forth good fruit. Wherefore by their fruits ye shall know them. Not
every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom
of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.
Matt. 7:16-18, 20, 21
Two points will be used to demonstrate that modern christianity is not
just wrong, but actually against Christ.
1. War. When the christian does not have Christ, he is at war with his
neighbors near and far.
2. Sin. When the christian does not have Christ, he is under the power
of the adversary, and cannot help but to sin, and therefore rebel
against God.
The Spirit of Aggression and War = AntiChrist
" Ye have heard that it hath been said, An eye for an eye, and a tooth
for a tooth: But I say unto you, That ye resist not evil: but whosoever
shall smite thee on thy right cheek, turn to him the other also. Ye
have heard that it hath been said, Thou shalt love thy neighbour, and
hate thine enemy. But I say unto you, Love your enemies, bless them
that curse you, do good to them that hate you, and pray for them which
despitefully use you, and persecute you" Mt. 5:43.44
In other words, Jesus came to His followers and said, "the old way was
to retaliate when wrong was done to you, but now, show them love
instead, give them what they want, and pray for them". It is often
cited by those who stand behind a war, that God condoned war in the old
testament. While this was true in the old testament, Jesus came and
showed men a new way of living, and that the true Christian will do as
He did. They will lay out their arms and resist not the one who wants
to persecute them. The spirit of war = christian. The spirit of
love/non retaliation = Christian.
Since the time of Christ, professed christians have been at war with
those who do not accept their "correct" religious beliefs. This manner
of bringing about conversion is contrary to the teaching of Jesus. When
the christian "pilgrims" came to America, they began to try to "win the
souls" of those who were on this continent by coercing them, along with
the threat of death, if they did not convert to christianity.
For half a century, the christian has been fighting a worldwide war
against "communism" slaying millions of people in the process. In the
last 20 years, the focus of the "holy war" has shifted to those who
follow the religions of the eastern philosophy, particularly the
Muslims. We can see that American christians have aggressively attacked
other nations when they have been slapped. Vietnam (Gulf of Tonkin),
Japan (Pearl Harbor) and the invasions of Afghanistan and Iraq (Sept
11) all demonstrate that the Christ spirit is not what modern
christians follow.
The professed christian U.S. government has officially accepted and
acted upon a "preemptive war" way of thinking and acting regarding
those who they feel threatened by. It is clear that Jesus did not
promote such a doctrine, thus revealing modern christianity as false.
Let all bitterness, and wrath, and anger, and clamour, and evil
speaking, be put away from you, with all malice: And be ye kind one to
another, tenderhearted, forgiving one another, even as God for Christ's
sake hath forgiven you. Be ye therefore followers of God, as dear
children; And walk in love, as Christ also hath loved us. Ephesians
4:31,32, 5:1,2
The Christian is in Harmony with God, and Does Not Sin Against Him
"Whosoever abideth in him sinneth not: whosoever sinneth hath not
seen
him, neither known him. Little children, let no man deceive you: he
that doeth righteousness is righteous, even as he is righteous. He that
committeth sin is of the devil; for the devil sinneth from the
beginning. For this purpose the Son of God was manifested, that he
might destroy the works of the devil. Whosoever is born of God doth
not commit sin; for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin,
because he is born of God." 1 John 3:6-9
The modern christian says, "everyone sins now and then, we're only
human". The bible shows that the man who has Christ in him, does not
sin. This demonstrates that the modern christian is false.
The true Christian has Christ in him, and cannot sin, because Christ
does not sin against the Father.
If ye love me, keep my commandments. He that hath my commandments, and
keepeth them, he it is that loveth me: and he that loveth me shall be
loved of my Father, and I will love him, and will manifest myself to
him. John 14:15,21
Those who are a false christ, cannot keep the commandments for they are
not one with Christ. They do not have His Spirit, and therefore cannot
love God or keep his commandment. These religious people, even taking
on the name Jesus, show by their daily life, that their christianity is
untrue.
Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the
kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in
heaven.
The christianity of today is a hoax.
Sincerely
Adam
PS. I would like to request that if you do not use this entire
observation, that you use none of it. In this manner, none of the above
statements will be taken out of context.
My reply
Hello Adam.
Unfortunately, I have to agree with you, I wish it were different, but I have to agree.
Most people are followers of the major religions(Catholic, protestant, reformed, etc..). These people make out about 75% percent of all Christians.
The only sad thing is that they follow the wrong interpretation of the bible because they rely more heavyly on tradition than on the scripture. All they have is a nice facade, but no real foundation. The people that go to the popular churches are the best people on sunday, but will stab you in the back on monday. Sadly, but true. But, there are real Christians out there.
More and more traditional churches start to shake off their denominations and come truly to Christ. Have you ever heard of the baptist, pentecoastal and Hebrea(there are more but I can't just tell out of the top of my head) churches? They are still relatively small and unknown if they aren't in your community present.
But they are the fastest growing churches in the world. Where the traditional churches loses churchgoers, there gain the alive churches.
Christianity is not a hoax. I am not a blind man. I would not have chosen Christ as my saviour if he hadn't given me proof in abundance of his existance. I've experienced God very powerfully in my life, I can give you accounts if you want? The good thing of being a Christian is that the Holy Spirit will come over you and in you. One then has God's presence embedded in his heart.The feeling of God's presence is the most awesome feeling one can have. Plus personally I've had two visions of Christ which proves to me that he exists and that he loves me.
If I may ask, where are you from? Are you from the joy of satan website? If so, you'll never be able to use what the website says about the bible against me. I'll be able to debunk everything it says(with all due respect)
God bless, and have a joyfull day
Michael
Thursday, January 22, 2004
The purpose of this blog is to defend my faith in my saviour Jesus Christ.
I will prove evolution wrong on this blog, and any other items that might come up.
If you belief you can prove Christianity wrong, send an email to mdibbets@yahoo.com and I will post the email and my answer to it on this blog.
Have a read with open eyes and open heart.
Jesus is Lord and He loves you!
God Bless!
Michael
I will prove evolution wrong on this blog, and any other items that might come up.
If you belief you can prove Christianity wrong, send an email to mdibbets@yahoo.com and I will post the email and my answer to it on this blog.
Have a read with open eyes and open heart.
Jesus is Lord and He loves you!
God Bless!
Michael
